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By: James R. Healey
CARLSBAD, Calif. — Each new gas-electric hybrid model leapfrogs previous ones in refinement, power, familiarity. Predictably, then, Honda's 2005 Accord hybrid is the best so far, by far.


The Accord hybrid, not on sale until December though gas-power '05 Accords are already at dealers, can claim several firsts or bests.
It has the biggest gas engine — a 3-liter V-6 — yet mated to an electric motor to create a hybrid. It's the first hybrid more powerful than the gas-engine equivalent: 255 horsepower vs. the gas V-6's 240 hp. It's the first hybrid that shuts down half the engine's cylinders under light load to save even more gas.


And it's the first that drives so conventionally that you honestly wouldn't know if somebody didn't tell you, or you didn't spot the small "hybrid" badges.

One reason the Accord hybrid has such an easy familiarity is that it uses a conventional automatic transmission instead of the continuously variable transmission (CVT) that Toyota and Ford favor for hybrids. The normal feel of the Honda gearbox is a welcome respite from the rev-happy CVTs.

The Accord hybrid's only significant drawback is price, about $3,400 more than the similar gasoline model, which is more or less typical of hybrid pricing. Honda says the Accord hybrid will be about $30,000, offered only as a high-end EX model, luxed up with leather and such.


Honda's hybrid system — IMA, for integrated motor assist — always uses the gas engine, then kicks in the electric motor for more power when needed. Toyota and Ford do the opposite, relying on the electric motor as long as possible, then starting the gas engine when needed.


Honda's IMA hybrids typically get better fuel economy on the highway, as conventional gas engines do. Toyota and Ford systems are better in town.
Neither type needs to be plugged in. The batteries are recharged during braking and, if necessary, via the gas engine. Both systems shut off the gas engine at stoplights and other long pauses to save more fuel.


Slightly twitchy steering is a flaw that a sensitive driver might notice. It won't stay centered as you'd like and seems overboosted just off-center. Thus, the hybrid starts drifting one way, you turn the wheel the other, the car over-responds and you have to turn the wheel back. "I agree it feels a little weak on-center," says chief engineer Tetsurou Hamada.


Partly that's due to electric power steering, which feels different than normal power steering. Electric power steering, however, uses no engine power, so no fuel. A normal hydraulic power-steering pump is driven by the engine, creating drag and consuming fuel.


Accord hybrid also has wider tires than the gas-power model. Wider tires have more traction, which can emphasize steering-wheel movements. The hybrid is 117 pounds heavier than the gas model, and Honda thinks that dictates wider tires to avoid handling and braking compromises.


Other minor gripes:
• The gearshift lever moves too easily into "D3" instead of the regular drive gear. D3 enhances performance but uses more fuel.
• Expected features are lacking. For the price, the car ought to have auto on/off headlights. All four power windows, not just the driver's, should go up or down with a single touch. The inside rearview mirror ought to dim automatically when hit by headlights.


Does the Accord with IMA work? Surely, and well.


The system never is intrusive. Its extra power is especially noteworthy in full-throttle scoots from 30 to 50 mph, useful in suburban driving. Honda says the hybrid accelerates from standstill to 60 mph in 7.5 seconds, half a second more quickly than the V-6 gas model.


The shift between six cylinders and three is usually undetectable. A dashboard light illuminates when the engine's getting more than 25 mpg, and that's usually when it's on three cylinders.


Accord hybrid is rated 30 mpg in town, 37 on the highway. The V-6 gas Accord is 21/30. A four-cylinder gas-power Civic is rated 31/38.
The trip computer in the hybrid test car, driven with no thought of maximizing fuel economy, showed a best of 33 mpg. That was a 25-mile stretch on back roads near here. Slow, winding two-lane roads registered 31.9 mpg. Hilly interstate, with the cruise control at 70 mph, registered 26 mpg.


A V-6 gas Accord, tested under typical but different circumstances, preventing apples-apples comparison, registered 18.2 mpg in suburban driving, 30 mpg during a short highway run at 65 mph.


The best you can say from all that is that the hybrid uses less fuel, but — typical of hybrids — not enough less to financially justify the purchase. In fact, it would take you more than a decade to save enough on fuel to repay that $3,400 price premium vs. a gas Accord, assuming today's gas prices, 12,000 miles a year and fuel economy as good as the ratings.


Honda agrees it's a no-win viewed strictly that way, which is why the Accord hybrid also will be sold as the highest-power, top-of-the-line Accord, and marketed as the one to drive if you really care.


The only factory option available on the Accord hybrid is a $2,000 navigation system, same as on the gas-power cars. It's wretched.
But that's a detour. The main route is the hybrid powertrain. It's as close to terrific as anybody's yet come, and it's embedded in a well-executed, nice-driving sedan that's already very popular. Honda seems silly planning just 20,000 Accord hybrids a year.

2005 Honda Accord hybrid
What is it? Gas-electric hybrid version of the midsize Accord four-door, front-wheel-drive sedan. The hybrid is manufactured at Sayama, Japan, instead of in Ohio, where most Accords are built.
How soon? On sale Dec. 3.
How much? About $30,000, about $3,400 more than a gasoline model; about $32,000 with navigation system.
How thirsty? Rated 30 miles per gallon in town, 37 on the highway, vs. 21/30 for V-6 gasoline Accord. Test car's trip computer showed mid-20s to mid-30s in a variety of driving.
Who'll buy? Slightly younger, richer, better-educated than typical Accord V-6 buyers; hybrid target is college-educated married man, 50, with $100,000-plus annual household income.
What's the drivetrain? 3-liter V-6 with variable cylinder management that shuts off three cylinders in light duty; mated to an electric motor, five-speed automatic transmission and traction control. Honda rates the hybrid system 255 horsepower at 6,000 rpm, 232 pounds-feet at 5,000 rpm (vs. 240 hp, 212 lbs.-ft. for 3-liter gas V-6).
What's the safety gear? The expected bags and belts, plus anti-lock brakes; front-seat, side-impact air bags; side-curtain air bags.
What's the rest? Available as an EX model, the hybrid comes with leather upholstery; heated front seats; power steering, brakes, windows, locks, mirrors, driver's seat; dual-zone climate control; AM/FM/six-CD stereo with XM Satellite Radio receiver; cruise control; remote-control locks; tilting, telescoping steering column; P215/60R-16 tires on alloy wheels; flat-tire repair kit; no spare tire.
How big? Identical outside to a conventional Accord but 5% more interior space because there's no headroom-slicing sunroof, and 3% less trunk space because the batteries are back there. Accord hybrid is 189.5 inches long, 71.5 inches wide, 57.1 inches tall on a 107.9-inch wheelbase.
Weight is listed as 3,501 pounds.
Passenger space is listed as 102.7 cubic feet; trunk is 11.2 cubic feet.
Overall: Nicest execution of a hybrid yet, but, as with other hybrids, high price is an issue.
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